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Writers' Talk With Guest Wil Shipley
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wilshipleyatomni: On MS: I think the worst thing the Mac market can do is alienate the Macintosh Business Unit at Microsoft.

wilshipleyatomni: Because if they stop making good products for the Mac, it's game over.

wilshipleyatomni: We're done.

alanosx: I the past...

alanosx: it was a love hate relationship...but many of the new products...really reflect the Mac feel.

OReillyMac: Yup. That's why we were holding our breath at Macworld. Waiting for MS to commit to Office for Mac OS X.

alanosx: I have a quick question...

wilshipleyatomni: The rumors I've heard is that a lot of the MS guys are just refugees from Claris.

wilshipleyatomni: So they really love Apple deep.

OReillyMac: Yeah Alan

alanosx: IN our last piece...we talked about what we love about OS X...we should get some of that input from Wil.

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OReillyMac: Yes! Great way to finish

wilshipleyatomni: Cocoa, Cocoa, Cocoa!

OReillyMac: LOL!

wilshipleyatomni: Call it NEXTSTEP, NeXTstep, OpenStep, Yellow Box, or whatever, it's the best.

OReillyMac: What else?

wilshipleyatomni: I've been working with it since 1989, and then and now I believed it was the future of programming.

wilshipleyatomni: We have a very smart gang here, but the reason we are able to put out professional-quality apps with teams of 1 or 2 people is all Cocoa.

wilshipleyatomni: It's not because we're super-geniuses (although I think we are...)

alanosx: move by Apple including the developer tools with OS X...and they are great.

wilshipleyatomni: I've been waiting TWELVE years to bring Cocoa to a mass audience.

wilshipleyatomni: And now, finally, people are seeing what a small team can do, and they're looking around and blinking and saying,

wilshipleyatomni: "Hey, maybe Jobs was right 12 years ago, maybe this IS the future!"

wilshipleyatomni: I mean, Java was largely inspired by Objective-C and the NEXTSTEP interfaces, but it didn't go quite far enough.

wilshipleyatomni: The libraries with Java were so abysmal that the advantages of it being truly OO were kind of lost.

wilshipleyatomni: And Sun spent SO LONG promising Java 1.1, 1.2, 2.0, whatever would be so much better, we swear, just wait, any day now.

alanosx: What about OS X features...any favorites?

alanosx: And finally from me...what message would you give users about what OS X means?

wilshipleyatomni: I've been using UNIX since I was a squeaky-voiced lad, and so I'm pretty darn happy to have a full UNIX under the hood.

wilshipleyatomni: OS X means: Speed. Stability. Beauty.

alanosx: hear hear.

wilshipleyatomni: Your operating system should make you smile. It's as simple as that.

OReillyMac: That's a great way to end guys, what do you say?

alanosx: sure thing.

wilshipleyatomni: Thanks, it was a lot of fun!

Derrick Story is the author of The Photoshop CS4 Companion for Photographers, The Digital Photography Companion, and Digital Photography Hacks, and coauthor of iPhoto: The Missing Manual, with David Pogue. You can follow him on Twitter or visit

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